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When starting a c 3 organization, there are generally two choices of how the organization will be classified. It can be a public charity or a private foundation. Though greatly outnumbered by public charities, private foundations bring a lot to the table. Public charities are understood to perform charitable work, while private foundations support the work of public charities.

That grassroots definition is, in practice, mostly true. The specifics, however, are slightly more complicated. Public charities represent the largest share of active, c 3 organizations. Public charities also enjoy some advantages over private foundations: Also, public charities have 3 possible tax filing requirements, depending upon annual revenue listed in order of complexity: All private foundations, regardless of revenue, must file Form PF each year.

It is a lengthy and complex return much like Form for public charities. It should also be pointed out that an applicant for c 3 status must prove why it should be considered a public charity, lest they be considered a private foundation by default.

Examples include churches, private schools, homeless shelters, etc…the list of possibilities is nearly endless. The true definition of a public charity, though, goes well beyond the programs and into the realm of structure and revenue source. As for structure, in order to qualify for and keep public charity status, a c 3 must be organized for exclusively c 3 purposes.

In addition, a public charity must represent the public interest by having a diversified board of directors. You can read more about that here.

As such, the IRS requires that a quorum of board members be possible who have no personal stake, either directly or potentially through relationship. Finally comes the income, or source of revenue, test.

Public charities must be supported by the general public. While being considered a private foundation could simply be a fall-back position of not qualifying for public charity status via either the organizational or income test or both , it is most often a choice that is made.

There are reasons why someone would choose foundation status over public charity. Chief among those is control. This is often more than enough tradeoff for those starting a foundation. Another significant reason may simply be operational. If the organization has as its primary purpose the financial support of public charities, as opposed to operating a particular program, a private foundation is likely more appropriate.

This is best thought of as a hybrid of the other two, most often a private foundation with direct program services like that operated by public charities. The rules are strict, as control can be like that of private foundations, but with some of the benefits of public charities.

There are relatively few of these organizations around. You typically only see these under rather unique circumstances. There really is no right way to go between operating as a public charity or a private foundation. Greg McRay is the founder and CEO of The Foundation Group. He is registered with the IRS as an Enrolled Agent and specializes in c 3 and other tax exemption issues. Is the private foundation like an irrevocable trust? Are charitable trusts and public charities the same thing?

They are not the same thing. A trust is a type of entity, not a type of tax-exempt or c 3 status. Corporations, trusts and unincorporated associations can all seek tax-exemption as a private foundation or a public charity.

From your description, private foundation status is not likely your best choice. Most organizations that need the funding sources you describe…and have ongoing direct programs will want to form a public charity. I recommend you call and speak with one of our team members to get a better feel for what you should do. There is no cost to inquire.

We are listed as a private foundation who definitely fits into a public charity type of organization. The private foundation status has hurt us because bigger companies will not donate because of the tax deduction process. Specifically, do you have to supply more information or different types if you are a private foundation? I should clarify — assume that the non-profit receives less than 25K and can file a EZ. There are distinct differences in the reporting requirements for public charities compared with private foundations.

Private foundations must file a Form PF regardless of income. In general, Form PF is somewhat more difficult to deal with, though any Form is not picnic. All that being said, the relative reporting requirements should have little to no basis in what designation most properly categorizes a particular organization.

The answer really depends upon a number of factors not included in your question. Churches are by definition c 3 public charities. I highly recommend you read our blog articles that deal with unrelated business income. You can click on that topic on the right hand side column of the blog. Then, get professional assistance in setting this operation up.

Yours definitely does not sound like a DIY project! Barby…I cannot begin to address your questions in a written reply. Way too fact dependent. Also, from what you are saying your purpose is, and the nature of your questions, I have serious concerns about you attempting the Form on your own. It is a difficult task in any circumstance. I think yours will be especially so. I think you will save yourselves much headache.

A family member who was not employed or insured has been recently diagnosed with stage 3 cancer. Also, would we qualify for government grants? Could legitimately be either. The IRS letter would tell you. Read this IRS guidance for a better understanding of the issue. My father passed last Fall. What made the event less painful for all was the amazing hospice care and facility he spent his last days in.

I was thinking of setting up a foundation, along the lines of the Susan G Komen Breast Cancer Foundation to support hospice care. I am just a lowly American Citizen chasing the dream….. Would I need to put in up front costs? I have absolutely no clue and would appreciate any direction. The organisation in question does not operate programs itself, but donates to charitable causes.

Intriguing comment about selling at a price the donor never could have. That comment aside, selling donated items to the public is not generally considered a business activity. In essence, if I donate a used refrigerator, and you then sell that refrigerator, you have converted one type of asset to another. So yes, it is still considered pubic support under most circumstances. Donations are not disqualified as being tax deductible simply because of a link with the organization.

Our foundation has been of public status for several years. Now, due to income from investments we are told we must change status. Also, can a public foundation use all their funds to provide scholarships?

Regarding investment income, the answer depends on whether your charity status is under a 1 or a 2 — you can find this on your determination letter. If you are a a 1 , then as long as public support is greater than or equal to Check your determination letter. If you need to schedule a consultation to look into this more in-depth, call us. My wife has formed a public charity in KS to support animal rescue.

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We own property in OR that we wish to donate to the charity, which it can convert to cash. Part of the reason for donating is that there are OR taxes that out-of-state owners pay on property sales that are not required of charities.

Can a church be recognized as a church without becoming a c3 organization? Under the tax code, churches are a defined category under c3. The only way for a church to not be c3 is for it to not cclaim tax-exemption…in other words, it would have to be a taxable entity. A churches cannot be a private foundation. How can I tell if a organization ,that has been out of service for some time, if it was a c3 organization? A church must be c3 if it considers itself to be tax-exempt…no exceptions. The only way a church can function apart from c3 for IRS purposes is to operate as a taxable entity and without donation deductibility.

There are a few bizarre websites that may say otherwise, but they either have no idea what they are talking about or they are trying to con you.

The paragraph above is pretty standard fare and merely articulates what is already federal law. I have another question. But nothing else that refers to c3. If this Church was established and recognized as a church by the IRS before it was established in , can it still be tax exempt without c3, if it proved it was an established church before then? The Above mentioned paragraph was added in But the rest of the documents never mentions c3.

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McRay for your answer! That really cleared some things up for me. But I do have another one if you have the time. Can a church be incorporated under a Corporate Sole? Thanks again for your answers. They are helping me out a lot! Can a director make a loan to the nonprofit corporation he serves to help get a project off the ground? Just make sure the agreement is in writing and that the interest rate is favorable to the nonprofit. Not if it is a separate corporate entity from the church.

A separate entity would have to get its own exemption unless it is somehow covered under a group ruling of some nature. Sounds like you are probably looking at a private operating foundation.

The rent idea is likely problematic also due to the conflict of interest. There are ways to do this, but the issues cannot be addressed in this abbreviated forum. If you go forward with this foundation, I recommend calling us for help. We can help you sort these things out as we proceed with the setup.

Typically, a c 3 that is going to award scholarships will include that fact in their original IRS application for c 3 status. An organization that already has tax exemption, but later wants to add scholarships, would need to inform the IRS on Schedule O of its next Form filing. An additional charitable entity option might be to contact a cooperative public charity and ask them to set up a charity owned, single member limited liability company for the donor.

The public charity could also consider appointing the donor to serve as the managing manager of the LLC. See IRS Notice , issued July 31, , for more information. Hi Greg I wanted to start an organization. So I wanted to create an organization have events and give to lung cancer patients that can use the monetary help. What will be best public or private?

A public charity is almost certainly the best option for you, based on your comments. Keep battling…I pray a great outcome for your fight! America's First Choice for Nonprofit Startup and Compliance.

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Greg McRay, EA Greg McRay is the founder and CEO of The Foundation Group. Share On Twitter Share On Google. Vote Up 0 Vote Down. For a Private Foundation, what are the disadvantages of deductibility limits to donors. Vote Up 1 Vote Down. That really depends upon the donor. As you can see, the deductibility limitations impact only a handful of very generous individuals.

Where you often see the limits coming into play is with family foundations. The Smith family sets up a private foundation and intends to fund it themselves. Vote Up 3 Vote Down. We are forming a non profit and are looking for assistance in the kind of non profit to begin. We will be conducting various services that are specifically targeted for the community and townships we assist, but want to know if the Private Foundation is the way to go. The main reason we need the c 3 is for the Grants we need to make the programs work as well as to qualify for a lot of the government assistance we seek.

Also we will be getting donations and need to provide the write off for our donors. These entities would give and help generate proceeds to our church of which I am the founder. We are looking to start a developmental center that provides educational programs a school , mental health counseling, and related therapies for children with disabilities and their families.

We are currently filling out our form, but are unsure how to proceed. Should we include the plans for a new building in our forms and just file as a foundation? As to your question…This is one we get asked a lot. Vote Up -2 Vote Down. Hi Greg My father passed last Fall. As to your question, it is a major undertaking…no question about it. But for many, it is just what they need to do. Many who start organizations begin right where you are.

I recommend reading our article from a few weeks ago, Questions You Must Answer Before Starting a Nonprofit. I believe it will help you. Does an individual get a tax write off for giving to their own public foundation? Certainly not illegal, but if done in collusion with all parties, it could certainly a shady transaction. The situation may not be all that bad, however.

And even then, it is a 5 year average calculation. There is very little way to know what the status formerly was unless it still is c3. Churches are a specific category of c3 organization and they cannot be tax-exempt without being a c3. Churches are unique in that they are considered by default to be c3 even without having filed for official IRS recognition.

The IRC retroactively captured all existing churches under its purview. You end up with a mess. Corporation Sole is only recognized as a legitimate entity type in a couple of states and as a tax-avoidance scam in the other 48 and the feds.

It is peddled by phony experts who are conspiracy theorists, tax cheats, kooks or scammers after your money. Plus, you paint a big, red bulls-eye on yourself that practically screams come audit me. Stay far, far away from this. We would need a facility to house the services and simultaneously we have been thinking about changing our residence. It would be ideal to live and run the foundation from the same property.

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